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OIS13-010_0410-jpirooz-OIS13-010_20140415_RedactedINTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ 7 Q=Inv. Alex Quilantan 8 Q1=Inv. Don Voght 9 Q2=James Trott 10 Q3=Det. Erik Herzog 11 A=Joe Pirooz 12 13 14 Q: All right. This is investigator Alex Quilantan with the Orange County 15 Sheriff’s Department. I’m here with my partner, Don Voght, Investigator Don 16 Voght along with, uh, Jim Trott, the Long Beach PD’s, uh, Association 17 attorney and Erik Herzog, Long Beach PD’s homicide sergeant and D- 18 Detective, correct? 19 20 A: Yes. 21 22 Q: ...Detective Joe Pirooz with, uh, Long Beach PD. We’re going to be 23 discussing, uh, an incident regarding Or- Orange County Sheriff’s Department 24 Case 13-07192, uh, related to an, uh - an actual warrant arrest that was for 25 Winter Park PD and their case number is 12-425, uh, 83. It is, uh, May 10, 26 2013, approximately 1953 hours. Um, and, Joe, we spoke briefly off tape just, 27 uh, before I turned it on just to make sure that you’d a - an opportunity to 28 speak with your association representative and that you’ve agreed to talk to us 29 here on tape. 30 31 A: Yes. 32 33 Q: Okay. Um, like I said, I’m just going to get a - a couple of background, um - 34 background things done on you and make sure I spell your name right, 35 actually. How do you spell you last name? 36 37 A: It’s P-I-R-O-O-Z. 38 39 Q: And Joe or is it Joseph? 40 41 A: J-O-E. 42 43 Q: Just Joe? 44 45 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 2 A: Yes, sir. 46 47 Q: Okay. And your birth date? 48 49 A: . 50 51 Q: And how long have you been with Long Beach PD? 52 53 A: Uh, 15 years and - almost 16 years. 54 55 Q: And just brief overview as far as your - your assignments there and your 56 current assignment now, kinda what you’ve - what you’ve done there as far as 57 patrol, investigations or... 58 59 A: I was a patrol officer, um, when I first was hired with the police department. 60 Um, I was an FTO. I worked street narcotics. In 2005 I was, um, promoted to 61 detective, worked, uh, gang investigations since 2005. Um, I still have that 62 seat in that shop, so I’ve been a gang detective for ten years. 63 64 Q: Okay. 65 66 A: Um, 2012 I was, um - um, task forced to the U.S. Marshals, uh, Task Force 67 and that’s where I’m current - my current assignment is now. 68 69 Q: Okay. So, um, basically we got - we got called here ‘cause you guys were sent 70 - asked for, uh - uh, help serve a warrant for Winter Park PD. Is that your 71 understanding on why you guys were sent out here or just kind of basically 72 tell me how you came from Long Beach PD to the U.S. Marshal’s Office and 73 here in - in Irvine, what exactly you were told that - that brought you and your 74 team out here? 75 76 A: I was working with Inspector (David Delaverdi), who had a fugitive 77 apprehension case, uh, assisting Buena Park Police Department on a fugitive 78 who was wanted for assault with a deadly weapon, a shooting. Um, and 79 currently had a million dollar warrant for his arrest. Um, Inspector 80 (Delaverdi), um, was tracking this individual electronically and, uh, that 81 evidence led us to this location. 82 83 Q: And then is this something that you guys were told over the radio, just meet 84 here, were you in the office and he said come out here or what type of, uh, 85 briefing did you guys have before you came out here or while you were out 86 here? 87 88 A: Earlier this morning approximately 9:00 am, um, I was told to go - or asked to 89 go to, uh, a hotel in Anaheim off of, uh, Harbor Boulevard and Ball Road. The 90 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 3 - the, uh, Hotel Ménage, I don’t know how to spell it, um, referencing the 91 same case, the same, uh, suspect and the same warrant. Um, I drove to that 92 location and, uh, participated in the surveillance there. And at some time prior 93 to noon, we broke down the surveillance and went back to Santa Ana. After 94 approximately 1300 hours, Inspector (Delaverdi) told me that he had new 95 evidence that he believes that the suspect was here. And at which time we 96 mobilized what we could, who we had, uh, available to us and we drove to 97 this location southbound, the 5 freeway. 98 99 Q: And then you - you obviously arrived here and were - was given an 100 assignment or who gave out assignments as to who was going to do what or 101 set up where for the... 102 103 A: Inspector (Del)... 104 105 Q: ...for the warrant service? 106 107 A: Inspector (Delaverdi) asked me to take the south - I’m sorry, the north, um - 108 position in the north part of the parking lot to prevent any escape from, um, 109 the suspect fleeing if he chose to flee. And, um - uh, he coordinated that with 110 a Winter Park detective who was the IO on the, uh, shooting case of Buena 111 Park. So when I got here I was told to go to a specific channel on the radio, 112 which I did. And, uh, communicated the surveillance, uh, within my vehicle. 113 114 Q: So once you guys were set up, did - was there any additional briefing as to 115 susept- suspect description, vehicles, um, criminal history or what the - any 116 more detail on the warrant or... 117 118 A: Yes. 119 120 Q: What - what - what were you told about - about the individual, who you were 121 looking for? 122 123 A: I was told that the suspect that we was in - was in question was considered 124 armed and dangerous. The firearm used in the, um, 245 shooting in Buena 125 Park was still outstanding. Um, the suspect had several, uh, arrests for 126 possession of a firearm. And was wanted for two separate investigations 127 involving an assault with a deadly weapon. And he was considered - well, 128 (unintelligible) but he was considered armed and dangerous. The - the warrant 129 was in the system for attempted murder and was, uh, one million dollars. 130 131 Q: Okay. So you’re - you’re set up on your end of the parking lot and, uh, 132 Inspector (Delaverdi) gave assignments to other units and they were watching 133 for this individual to come out from wherever? 134 135 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 4 A: That’s correct. 136 137 Q: So, how long do you think you were in the - in the parking lot there before 138 stuff started coming over the radio? 139 140 A: Well, it was continuously - continuously talked about because units, uh - units 141 from the sheriff’s department, Buena Park units would show up and then 142 would just be regurgitated over the air. Uh, what we were looking, uh, where 143 to be - where to be positioned and, uh, where to, um - and what to look for. 144 There was obviously possibles walking around in here that, uh, officers, 145 investigators were looking at and that traffic was relayed over the radio. 146 147 Q: And I - I don’t think I asked you what, uh... 148 149 A: Thank you. 150 151 Q: ...your vehicle, what kind of vehicle you were in, unmarked or a marked unit? 152 153 A: I drive a black Dodge Durango. It is not marked, it has tinted windows, uh, 154 it’s an SUV. 155 156 Q: Okay. And now so other units are arriving, uh, Inspector (Delaverdi)’s giving 157 a briefing again so that everyone’s in tune with who you’re looking for and his 158 criminal history, uh, so to speak. Eventually, the person you’re looking for 159 comes out, what is it that you hear over the radio that - okay, now, we’re - the 160 guy we’re looking for is here and he’s wherever he’s at? 161 162 A: Um, I heard somebody say there was a, uh - a possible. A su- a suspect we - or 163 a subject leaving, uh, a room and was walking towards the south parking 164 garage area and getting into a black, uh, SUV, I think it was a Chevy 165 Suburban. Um, the suspect was wearing a hat at the time, so identification was 166 a little difficult for whoever was watching him. Um, there was a female that 167 was with him, but unknown - unknown who - what relationship he - that 168 female was to that person. Um, they got into that black - a black SUV with 169 paper plates. And, uh, another officer over the radio stated that that vehicle 170 matched the vehicle that left the Anaheim Ménage Motel, um, and that was 171 possibly our suspect. 172 173 Q: Now, I don’t think I asked you on - when you guys were getting the briefing, 174 did, uh - did, uh, Inspector (Delaverdi) have a picture so that everyone 175 obviously knew what he looked like, a DMV photo or a booking photo? 176 177 A: Yes, sir. 178 179 Q: And that’s something that you saw as well? 180 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 5 181 A: Yes, sir. 182 183 Q: Okay. So, the vehicle that someone said was a possible, him getting in it, it - it 184 leaves the parking lot or goes mobile? 185 186 A: It goes mobile. It attempts to leave this location via the south, um, driveway... 187 188 Q: Now is this something you’re seeing or you’re still hearing over the radio? 189 190 A: I hear it over the radio. I don’t see it. Uh, I don’t see it until I see - I look to 191 my right ‘cause I’m in the - the north, uh - closest to the north driveway. I 192 look to my right and I see Inspector (Delaverdi)’s - I see the vehicle in 193 question. I see Inspector (Delaverdi) with his lights on contr- uh, contacting 194 that vehicle. 195 196 Q: Lights, you meaning his, uh - his, uh... 197 198 A: Police red and blue lights. 199 200 Q: ...police (unintelligible) lights, okay. 201 202 A: Uh, with strobe lights emitting from his - his car. 203 204 Q: And he’s still in his car or did he come out on foot or the car’s - the suspect 205 car’s still moving and he’s trying to pull it over basically... 206 207 A: That’s correct. 208 209 Q: ...trying to stop it, okay. And then wh- uh, from there it’s coming your 210 direction or it’s still at the end of the... 211 212 A: It’s... 213 214 Q: ...the far end? 215 216 A: ...still by Inspector (Delaverdi) and all I see is a possible target vehicle and I 217 see Inspector (Delaverdi)’s vehicle and I drive from my location to where he 218 was at. 219 220 Q1: Was there... 221 222 Q: Yeah, go ahead. 223 224 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 6 Q1: Just - just real quick, just for clarification purposes, um, you’re on the north 225 side of the parking lot you said, um, nearest Lake Forrest and the other - a 226 suspect vehicle was on the south side of the parking lot and we’re going to 227 call that nearest El Toro, correct, and you see which way my arms are going... 228 229 A: Yes, sir. 230 231 Q1: ...(unintelligible) El Toro, if you’re not familiar with South Orange County, 232 um, and you were backed into your spot or were you for- um, forward in your 233 spot? 234 235 A: I was backed in. 236 237 Q1: You were backed in? 238 239 A: Yes, sir. 240 241 Q1: Okay. 242 243 Q: Okay. You see, uh, Inspector (Delaverdi) li- um - with his, uh, lights on 244 attempting to pull this vehicle over, did he - he or anyone else say anything 245 before that, first it was a possible and then, uh, did anyone say, okay, th- this 246 is our guy, we’re going to take him down, don’t let him out or anything of that 247 nature that would let everyone else know that - to converge on the car, do you 248 recall? 249 250 A: I did - I heard something along the lines of that looks like our guy. 251 252 Q: Okay. So you - you looked to your right, you see, uh - um, Inspector 253 (Delaverdi) with lights on, what do you do after that fr- from there? 254 255 A: I drive towards that location in the parking lot. 256 257 Q: So th- they’re down here and the suspect vehicle is facing you when you pull 258 out or wh- which way is the suspect vehicle... 259 260 A: He’s facing south. 261 262 Q: So you’re seeing the back - the backend of his car? 263 264 A: Yes, sir. 265 266 Q: Okay. I just want to make sure I got my - my bearings straight. So you - you 267 go to, uh, Inspector (Delaverdi)’s location. You see the back end of the 268 suspect vehicle, you see Inspector (Delaverdi)’s car facing it with its - with its 269 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 7 lights on. And then - and then what - what goes from - what happens from 270 there as far as - what does the suspect vehicle do, does it stop right there and 271 comply with his orders or does it do something - stay - drive somewhere else 272 or what exactly does it do? 273 274 A: It stops initially and I turn on my emergency lights and I pull up so that I am 275 facing southbound in that parking lot towards the - looking to- looking at that 276 vehicle from behind. And I pull up and I exit my vehicle and I draw my 277 weapon and I give commands to turn the car off, police department, come out. 278 279 Q: When you’re doing that can you - can you see him now, is his window rolled 280 down or where are you at in relation to where the suspect is and is he driving 281 the car or is he a passenger? 282 283 A: Suspect is driving the vehicle. 284 285 Q: Okay. 286 287 A: I can see - see him driving the vehicle. I see a female in the passenger side. 288 289 Q: Okay. And then you’re giving him commands... 290 291 A: That’s correct. 292 293 Q: ...to turn the car off and what does he do, does he say anything? 294 295 A: He looks around and he’s manipulating, um, the steering wheel and 296 components of the vehicle. 297 298 Q: And then you - you give several more orders or wha- what - you tell him to 299 stop, he obviously h- h- doesn’t because when we see the car it’s in another 300 location, what exactly, um - after you tell him to stop, he’s manipulating stuff 301 in the car, does he drive forward, backwards, if you can remember? 302 303 A: The vehicle at that point ceases to - begins to roll. I don’t know if he’s going 304 to put it in park or if he just took his - took his hands up, put his feet on and 305 took his feet o- I don’t know what he did. Uh, but at that point, I move to the 306 rear of the vehicle so that I can get a better view of - of him and get a closer 307 proximity so I can give better commands. At which time he, uh, accelerates in 308 reverse towards me at a high rate of speed. 309 310 Q: And yo- your car’s obviously out of the way then, he doesn’t run into your 311 car? 312 313 A: He - I thought he did hit my car. 314 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 8 315 Q: Okay. 316 317 A: But I - when I believed he hit my car I had moved - I had turned around and 318 moved out of the way and his vehicle continued in reverse northbound of the 319 parking lot. 320 321 Q: And then you proceed on foot to his location once he passes you or wha- what 322 do you do after that once he - once he speeds off in reverse? 323 324 A: Once he speeds off in reverse, I follow on foot. 325 326 Q: And then he continues through - northbound through the parking lot? 327 328 A: That’s correct. 329 330 Q: And then you’re giving him commands still or what’s your - what are your 331 actions, you’re - you’re still talking to him or he’s - he’s too - a little too far 332 away to - to give commands to? 333 334 A: I - I order him to stop, police, stop and he doesn’t. And I know he’s a, uh, 335 fleeing felon. I know he’s wanted for, uh, the attempted murder. I know he’s 336 possibly armed and dangerous and he may have a weapon. And I believe he is 337 a substantial risk to the public safety and to others who are here at the location 338 including officers. 339 340 Q: Now when he’s - so he’s speeding backwards, who’s, if you can remember, 341 behind him, are there any civilians back there, people coming in to check into 342 their rooms, people driving in, uh, you know, ‘cause there’s another entrance 343 there, what is it that you, if you can remember, seeing the backdrop of his car 344 as he’s speeding backwards? 345 346 A: The backdrop of - of his vehicle is a tractor-trailer - track- tractor-trailer, that’s 347 parked. And I don’t see any - anybody from the hotel or motel or in the 348 parking lot on foot. 349 350 Q1: How long were you here before his vehicle went mo- um, mobile, 351 approximately? 352 353 A: At least an hour, probably longer. 354 355 Q1: During that time, that hour, did you see any pedestrians coming in and out of 356 the hotel at all? 357 358 A: Yes, sir. 359 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 9 360 Q1: How many would you say you saw? 361 362 A: Um, several dozen. 363 364 Q1: Okay. From the parking lot where you were parked... 365 366 A: Yes, sir. 367 368 Q1: ...coming into the hotel and out of the hotel, were there other cars parked in 369 the parking lot where you were parked? 370 371 A: Yes, sir. 372 373 Q1: Belonging to hotel guests, I’m assuming? 374 375 A: Yes, sir. 376 377 Q1: Okay. So you saw that. Um - okay. Sorry. 378 379 Q: No, that’s fine. Uh... 380 381 Q1: Um, I do have a couple other things pr- before we get further I want to ask a 382 couple more questions first. 383 384 Q: All right. Go ahead. 385 386 Q1: Did you know that - were you briefed as to what type of criminal this guy 387 was, um, prior to you getting here if he was - if he was known to be a gang 388 member at all or anything like that? 389 390 A: Yes. 391 392 Q1: Wh- do you recall what you were told about his gang affiliations? 393 394 A: Yes, sir. I was told that he was a - an F-Troop gang member. And he was 395 wanted for the shooting - shooting another gang member in Buena Park. And 396 that had a - he had a lengthy criminal history. 397 398 Q1: Okay. Um, when you were in your car, were you solo or did you have a 399 partner? 400 401 A: I was solo. 402 403 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 10 Q1: Okay. Um, I know we already took photographs of you, what were you 404 wearing at the time that this all took place? 405 406 A: I’m wearing a, uh, black USC T-shirt, uh, blue jeans and tan colored, uh, 407 Oakley boots. I have my department issued patrol vest on top of my black 408 USC T-shirt. 409 410 Q1: What does the patrol vest say on it? 411 412 A: Uh... 413 414 Q1: Anything that identifies you as a police officer or anything? 415 416 A: Yes. It says United - U.S. Marshal and has the, um, U.S. Marshal, uh, Pacific 417 Southwest Regional Task Force seal and I have my department issued police 418 officer detective badge affixed to the pocket of my vest. 419 420 Q1: Okay. And... 421 422 A: Facing outward, clearly visible and depicting me as a police officer. 423 424 Q1: What about the - the - the vest itself, was - does it say marshal on the back or 425 marshal on the front? 426 427 A: Just on the front. 428 429 Q1: On the front, okay. Um, do you recall about what time you arrived here at the 430 Irvine Suites approximately? 431 432 A: I know it was after 1300 hours. 433 434 Q1: Approximately how many other officers that were part of this arrest team were 435 here today with you? 436 437 A: I’m not sure of the actual number. Um, I’ve s- I saw multiple vehicles and 438 multiple investigators. 439 440 Q1: Okay. Would you say more than six or seven? 441 442 A: Yes, sir. 443 444 Q1: Okay. Um - okay. They weren’t all from the task force, correct? 445 446 A: That’s correct. 447 448 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 11 Q1: Okay. Some of ‘em were - were some of ‘em sheriff’s deputies or were some 449 of ‘em sheriffs, uh, undercover officers or - or do you know? 450 451 A: Yes. 452 453 Q1: Okay. Um, I want to clarify one more thing. You said you were parked on the 454 north side of the parking lot, backed in, were you facing the street or were you 455 facing the hotel? 456 457 A: I was facing the hotel. 458 459 Q1: Okay. And I’m sorry, Alex. 460 461 Q: No, that’s all right. 462 463 Q1: When you said that you were - you went to the rear of the vehicle, were you 464 talking about your vehicle or - when you said you were trying to get closer to 465 the suspect so you could give better commands, was that your vehicle or his 466 vehicle? 467 468 A: I exited my driver’s side door of my vehicle, gave those initial commands. I 469 went to the rear of my vehicle to come to the passenger side of my vehicle, 470 which was where the driver’s side door of the suspect vehicle was at. 471 472 Q1: Were you guys not facing the same direction, just - I just want to clarify that 473 ‘cause you’re saying you were on your passenger side of your vehicle and I 474 was under the impression that he was facing that way and you were facing this 475 way? It - it - correct me if I’m wrong, I’m - I’m - and if you don’t recall, you 476 don’t recall. 477 478 A: I recall and you are somewhat correct. 479 480 Q1: Okay. 481 482 A: Um... 483 484 Q: That’s what - the impression I had, too, so... 485 486 A: So, his vehicle is canted because when he backs out... 487 488 Q1: Mm-hm. 489 490 A: ...he backs out at an angle. 491 492 Q1: Okay. 493 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 12 494 A: So, he’s backing out and when I said his vehicle began to roll, it moved... 495 496 Q: This way... 497 498 A: ...to the rear. 499 500 Q: ...like this. 501 502 A: So I’m starting to lose - while I’m at my driver’s side door... 503 504 Q1: Mm-hm. 505 506 A: ...I’m starting to lose my - my target... 507 508 Q1: Okay. 509 510 A: ...and as he moves - as - as he starts to roll back, which I believe is an attempt 511 to evade the contact... 512 513 Q1: Mm-hm. 514 515 A: ...I decide to move to the rear of my vehicle to come in between my vehicle 516 and his vehicle to be closer in proximity to the driver’s side of the suspect 517 vehicle to give verbal commands and to make sure he understands... 518 519 Q1: Okay. 520 521 A: ...we’re the police. 522 523 Q1: And, um - and for the tape, I’m using a cell phone and a recorder here as two 524 vehicles, okay? So I understand this. This here is, um, Lake Center Dri- um, I 525 think it’s called Lake Center Drive, which is the road that’s out in front of the 526 hotel. The hotel is my note pad right here. And you were initially parked over 527 here facing the hotel and you pulled out this way. Is my cell phone an accurate 528 description of wh- how you’re describing his vehicle to be? 529 530 A: Yes. 531 532 Q1: Kind of? 533 534 A: Yes, sir. 535 536 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 13 Q1: Okay. So for the record, for the tape, the back of his vehicle is kind of facing 537 Lake Center Drive and his front door is somewhat - or his driver’s side door is 538 somewhat facing you a little bit, is this somewhat accurate? 539 540 A: Yes, sir. 541 542 Q1: You get out, you’re giving commands, you go to the back of your car, now 543 you’re on the passenger side of your car, correct? 544 545 A: Yes, sir. 546 547 Q1: Okay. Um, and you said you, um, could see him, um, and I can’t remember if 548 th- if his window was rolled up or rolled down or if you remember. If you 549 don’t, that’s fine. 550 551 A: I believe it was rolled up. 552 553 Q1: Okay. Um, did you have a - a relatively good view of him, um, through this 554 window? I - I guess my next question’s going to be, um, could you see what 555 he was doing with his hands at all times, um, were his - were both his hands 556 on the steering wheel where you can clearly see them or were they moving at 557 all? 558 559 A: Yes. 560 561 Q1: Yes what? 562 563 A: Yes, his hands were moving, no, I could not clearly see what he was doing. 564 565 Q1: Okay. Um, did they at any time go lower than what I would consider the 566 window to where you could not see them, like down by his lap or something 567 like that at all? 568 569 A: Yes. 570 571 Q1: Okay. Um, you had mentioned earlier, I just want to clarify this, um, assault 572 with a deadly weapon, that he was wanted for assault with a deadly weapon, 573 then you said, um, attempted murder. Do you specifically remember that he 574 was wanted for attempted murder, that the - that was what the warrant was 575 for? 576 577 A: Yes. 578 579 Q1: Okay. Um, and then when his car passed you in reverse I believe it was or was 580 it forward? 581 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 14 582 A: In reverse. 583 584 Q1: Okay. Do you recall if he passed you on your passenger side, if he had to 585 manipulate his car at all, if he passed you on the driver’s side, do you recall? 586 587 A: He passed me on the passenger side of my vehicle. 588 589 Q1: On the passenger side, the same side of the vehicle you were on? 590 591 A: That’s correct. 592 593 Q1: Now I’ve been on the parking lot and I can see where your car is. There’s not 594 a lot of space between your car and then, you know, the edge of the parking 595 lot. Um, did you have to do anything to avoid being hit at all or anything like 596 that or did you just stand there and he just shot right past ya? 597 598 A: I believe I stated earlier I had to get out of the way. I actually thought he hit 599 my vehicle and I s- moved out of the way to get - to avoid being struck or ran 600 over. 601 602 Q1: Okay. Do you re- do you remember if you jumped out of the way back behind 603 your car or... 604 605 A: Yes. 606 607 Q1: ...if you jumped towards the street, if - if you remember? 608 609 A: Behind my vehicle. 610 611 Q1: Okay. So, as he’s coming past your car, you actually had to come back behind 612 your vehicle because it - either you thought he was going to hit you or he may 613 have hit you, but he was definitely coming past you? 614 615 A: That’s correct. 616 617 Q1: Okay. In your mind, had you stood exactly where you were and not moved, 618 would you have been struck? 619 620 A: Yes. 621 622 Q1: Okay. And then you had mentioned something about another hotel or motel in 623 Anaheim earlier in the day that you had, um, did some surveillance on and 624 then you guys ended that surveillance, did you guys know what his suspect 625 vehicle was at that point? 626 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 15 627 A: No, sir. 628 629 Q1: You did not. Um, how did you guys - ‘cause later on you had mentioned that 630 someone had said they saw a - a vehicle here that was similar to one or that - 631 that was at the other hotel. How did that come about that - that you guys knew 632 - if - if you know? 633 634 A: I don’t know the specifics on who saw which vehicle at the, uh, hotel in 635 Anaheim. The surveillance I conducted in Anaheim was inside the Hotel 636 Ménage. 637 638 Q1: Mm-hm. 639 640 A: I was in the lobby with another, uh, task force officer and we waited for that - 641 for this suspect to come down the elevator, which never occurred. 642 643 Q1: Okay. 644 645 A: I never saw any vehicles. 646 647 Q1: So when you ca- you - you - even when you were in Anaheim, you didn’t 648 know what vehicle to look for there? 649 650 A: No, sir. 651 652 Q1: But later on when he came here someone said - someone gave a description of 653 his vehicle at some point... 654 655 A: Yes, sir. 656 657 Q1: ...and I think you might have said it was (Delaverdi) or something? 658 659 A: Yes, sir. 660 661 Q1: Okay. Um, and just for clarification, was - was (Delaverdi)’s vehicle facing 662 north? 663 664 A: Yes. 665 666 Q1: In the parking lot outside here, okay. Um, you said you gave him, um, 667 commands, initially, when you pulled in behind him, verbal commands, um, 668 were you yelling ‘em out loud enough for - for him to hear them? 669 670 A: Yes, sir. 671 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 16 672 Q1: Okay. Loud enough for someone that was inside of a vehicle to hear them? 673 674 A: Yes, sir. 675 676 Q1: Okay. Do you recall how many commands you - you gave him, if it was one, 677 if it was twice, if it was three times? 678 679 A: More than three. 680 681 Q1: More than three? 682 683 A: Yes, sir. 684 685 Q1: Okay. And, um - and I can’t remember exactly what you said, um, but you - 686 you identified yourself as a police officer and do you - again, what did you tell 687 him to do? 688 689 A: Stop. 690 691 Q1: Stop, okay. You identified yourself as a police officer, stop. Um, do you recall 692 if anyone else, at this point, when you’re still facing him and he’s still in his 693 car, if any other of the police officers that were here, um, had been giving him 694 any commands, do you remember hearing anyone else give commands at all? 695 696 A: Before or after my command? 697 698 Q1: Um, let’s start with before. 699 700 A: Yes. 701 702 Q1: Okay. Do you remember who that was? 703 704 A: Inspector (Delaverdi). 705 706 Q1: Okay. So he had given commands, did the person stop and abide by hi- the 707 commands? 708 709 A: No, sir. 710 711 Q1: The suspect I mean, okay. And did the suspect abide by your commands? 712 713 A: No, sir. 714 715 Q1: Okay. And you had your gun out and pointed it at him? 716 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 17 717 A: Yes, sir. 718 719 Q1: Do you think he could see you? 720 721 A: Yes, sir. 722 723 Q1: Okay. Do you recall him ever looking in your direction? 724 725 A: Yes, sir. 726 727 Q1: Okay. Okay. That’s all I have. Now we’re back up to speed, sorry. 728 729 Q: All right. No. So we left off he’s - he’s gone by, you’ve had to get out of the 730 way, go to the rear of your vehicle, the c- the car continued backing in a - in a 731 reverse motion, the suspect vehicle until - until when, did it eventually stop, 732 did you follow it through the parking lot on foot or did you - or what exactly 733 did you do after it passed you? 734 735 A: After it passed me, I continued to give it stop - the commands to stop, did not. 736 I could see that there was another vehicle coming in the north - coming close 737 to the north driveway. I feared that was, uh - obviously some people were in 738 the vehicle, I feared that - that the suspect vehicle was going to strike that 739 vehicle or to use his vehicle to move that vehicle out of the way. And I believe 740 it - it was an immediate threat to - endanger to those per- passengers in the 741 vehicle... 742 743 Q: And then - and then you acted upon that? 744 745 A: And I acted upon that. 746 747 Q: And what did you do to act upon that? 748 749 A: I fired my weapon. 750 751 Q: At - at the vehicle that... 752 753 A: I fired my weapon at the driver, the - the person who was behind the wheel of 754 the suspect vehicle. 755 756 Q: How many times do you think you’ve - you fired your weapon? 757 758 Q2: How many do you think? 759 760 Q: Do you think? 761 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 18 762 A: Four times. 763 764 Q: Four times. Now, you’re doing this from the rear of your vehicle or have you 765 advanced at all on foot from - from whe- from the rear of your vehicle and to 766 where he - he’s at, uh, at the north end of the parking lot or do you recall how 767 - how much you moved, how much you progressed from where - from where - 768 when he passed you? 769 770 A: When he passed me, I followed the vehicle on foot. Um, at some point, I 771 believe there was the immediate threat and I fired my weapon. And I - after I 772 fired my weapon I continued to move forward until that vehicle stopped. The 773 vehicle crashed into the back of the - or struck the back of the tractor-trailer. 774 775 Q: Okay. So - and then you stopped shooting, there was no more shooting after it 776 - after it struck the vehicle, do you recall the sequence of - of shots? 777 778 A: My... 779 780 Q: Th... 781 782 A: ...recollection is I fired four rounds as it was moving backwards at a high rate 783 of speed. And after I stopped fire my four rounds, that vehicle struck the back 784 of the trailer and, um, the other vehicle that was coming in the driveway, it 785 also struck it, suspect vehicle. 786 787 Q: Okay. Now, I don’t think we’ve - ‘cause I don’t remember asking you this, 788 was he the only one in the car, the suspect? 789 790 A: No. 791 792 Q: Who else did you see in the - in the vehicle? 793 794 A: I saw a female. 795 796 Q: And she was where, in the front, the back... 797 798 A: Front seat. 799 800 Q: Front seat? 801 802 A: Front passenger seat. 803 804 Q: Wha- what was she doing, do you recall her acting in any - any way, I mean, 805 o- obviously you’re looking at - at the male - at the male driver, but did she do 806 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 19 anything that would, uh, lead you to believe it was dangerous as well or was 807 she, uh, assisting him in anything or was she trying to get him to stop or - just 808 thinking back, do you recall her doing anything? 809 810 A: I can only recall that she was screaming. 811 812 Q: Okay. So the vehicle comes - crashes into the tractor-trailer, you fire what you 813 fe- you feel is four rounds, then did you, uh, approach the vehicle after that to 814 get him out of the vehicle or did someone else from the surveillance team, uh, 815 get him and the female out of the - out of the car? 816 817 A: Yes. After the vehicle came to rest at the tractor-trailer, the rest of the 818 additional units that were here, the - did a semi-circle around the - the SUV, 819 uh, at gunpoint and at some point in time, um, I think it was Inspector 820 (Delaverdi) and another, uh, U.S. Marshal pulled the, uh, suspect out of the 821 vehicle. 822 823 Q: Okay. Um, so I know I - I know I asked you - y - when I - when I said you 824 shot the car, you said you were shooting at - at the suspect, so do you recall 825 where the - where your rounds went to kind of assist us in - you - you think 826 you shot four, so I just want to make sure that we -- if that - if that’s not the 827 case, that’s fine, if we don’t find four shell casings, then - then we don’t find 828 ‘em -- is it - do you recall exactly the vehicle being struck, the tractor-trailer 829 maybe being struck, the windshield, the grill of the truck, is that something 830 that you can recall? 831 832 A: I recall one of my rounds hitting the hood of the suspect vehicle near the 833 driver’s side just below the steering wheel area. 834 835 Q: And you didn’t take part again in extracting the - the male or the - the female 836 out, right, physically take part? Do - did you put - did you go in there and put 837 hands on them to bring them out... 838 839 A: No, sir. 840 841 Q: ...or were you still doing security... 842 843 A: I was still providing... 844 845 Q: ...providing, uh... 846 847 A: ...protection... 848 849 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 20 Q: ...protection. How cooperative or uncooperative, once his vehicle crashed and 850 the rounds were fired, do you recall, uh, the male half being? Do you recall his 851 behavior, his demeanor... 852 853 A: Non-cooperative. 854 855 Q: Not cooperative. Can you recall what exactly he was doing, saying or... 856 857 A: He wouldn’t listen to the commands and he wouldn’t extract himself from the 858 vehicle. 859 860 Q: So even after Inspector (Delaverdi) gives him commands he doesn’t follow, 861 you give him commands, he doesn’t follow, you pointing your - your duty 862 weapon at him, he’s not following commands. He crashes the vehicle into the 863 tractor-trailer, uh, before you fire approximately four rounds. Once his vehicle 864 comes to a stop and they’re trying to get him out of the vehicle, he’s still not 865 complying, physically not complying and verbally, is he saying anything or is 866 he just not being cooperative with put your hands up or what were they telling 867 him to do that he wasn’t doing? 868 869 A: They were giving him orders to come out and show his hands and come out of 870 the vehicle and, uh, several orders from several different officers to do so. 871 And I saw Inspector (Delaverdi), um, grab him from the window area of his 872 vehicle and pull him out of the vehicle and place him in a position where he 873 could effectively and safely arre- uh, handcuff him and detain him. 874 875 Q: Once that was done, he was put in - I’m assuming in someone’s, uh, car or 876 where was he sat at after that, him and the female? 877 878 A: He was searched for any possible weapons on his person. And he was, uh, 879 detained inside the parking structure on the north end of the parking lot. 880 881 Q1: Are you... 882 883 Q: I’m good, unless you have... 884 885 Q1: Okay. No, I’m going to ask a few more. Um, do you know if they found any - 886 anything on him or inside the vehicle after they pulled him out? 887 888 A: No, sir. 889 890 Q: You don’t... 891 892 Q1: (Unintelligible)... 893 894 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 21 Q: ...know or they didn’t? 895 896 A: I don’t know. 897 898 Q: Okay. 899 900 Q1: Okay. Um, prior to this you told us that you worked gangs... 901 902 A: Yes, sir. 903 904 Q1: ...for how many years? 905 906 A: Ten years. 907 908 Q1: Ten years of gangs, okay. Have you ever been involved in a gang 909 investigation involving violence or guns or anything like that? 910 911 A: Yes, sir. 912 913 Q1: Have you ever been involved in gang - that it involves murders or anything 914 like that? 915 916 A: Yes, sir. 917 918 Q1: Okay. Is it your experience that gang members potentially are dangerous 919 people? 920 921 A: Yes, sir. 922 923 Q1: Okay. Do you know this going in to today’s situation knowing that this guy’s 924 an F-Troop gang member from - I’m not sure, Santa Ana or Buena Park, I’m 925 not sure where he’s from, um, is that part of your mindset? 926 927 A: Absolutely. 928 929 Q1: Okay. Is that a typical mindset for you when you go into a high, um - what 930 would you call - consider this... 931 932 Q: High-risk arrest wa... 933 934 Q1: ...a high-risk arrest... 935 936 A: Yes, sir. 937 938 Q1: Okay. Um, wha- what kind of weapon do you carry? 939 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 22 940 A: I carry a double stack .45 caliber, uh, single action - I’m sorry, double action 941 Para Ordnance semiautomatic handgun. 942 943 Q1: Okay. How many rounds, um - how many magazines do you carry? 944 945 A: Typically three. 946 947 Q1: Okay. And, um, today how many magazines did you have? 948 949 A: Three. 950 951 Q1: Okay. One in the - one in the gun? 952 953 A: Yes, sir. 954 955 Q1: How many rounds were in that magazine? 956 957 A: Fourteen plus one. 958 959 Q1: Okay. And when you say plus one you mean one in the chamber? 960 961 A: Yes, sir. 962 963 Q1: And then in the other two magazines how many rounds did you have? 964 965 A: Fourteen. 966 967 Q1: Okay. At any time during this, um, did you have to eject a magazine, do a 968 tactical reload or anything like that? 969 970 A: No, sir. 971 972 Q1: So it was just the one - the one magazine, you never swapped out mags at all? 973 974 A: No, sir. 975 976 Q1: Okay. Okay. 977 978 Q: You guys have any... 979 980 Q3: I... 981 982 Q: ...questions for us? 983 984 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 23 Q3: ...I do if you don’t mind. 985 986 Q1: Please. 987 988 Q3: Just a few more things. Uh, Joe, just for the tape it’s Erik Herzog from Long 989 Beach. What’s your knowledge of the crime, when does this crime actually 990 happen that this guy’s being investigated for? 991 992 A: I don’t know, sir. I believe it is sometime this year. It’s a fairly new warrant. 993 994 Q3: And - and what do you know about the crime, is it, uh... 995 996 A: I was told that it’s a gang related shooting where it’s a gang member on gang 997 member and the suspect shot a rival gang member in the back. 998 999 Q3: And you said something, you mentioned two separate investigations or he’s 1000 investigated for two separate things, is it all from that one incident or two 1001 separate incidents? 1002 1003 A: Um, I believe in talking with Detective, uh, (Leppy) from - I don’t know his 1004 full name, uh, from Buena Park Police Department, he said that he was being 1005 investigated for that shooting and - and another shooting where a firearm was 1006 involved. 1007 1008 Q3: Both in Buena Park? 1009 1010 A: I believe so, yes. 1011 1012 Q3: Uh, and just not completely familiar with the marshals, (unintelligible) get an 1013 understanding, how do you guys do it, so one case agent - uh, if I contact you 1014 and I have a warrant does one person take the lead on that, is - how does 1015 (Delaverdi) become the point for this? 1016 1017 A: Uh, yes, sir. Um, if you had a warrant and you would like me to, um, find 1018 your warrant suspect, uh, I become the case, uh, agent and the IO and, um, I 1019 do the background and I, um, allocate the resources to find your fugitive. 1020 1021 Q3: And how long - do you know how long (Delaverdi) or how long have you 1022 been aware this person’s been wanted and they’ve been working this case? 1023 1024 A: Uh, as far as I know today. 1025 1026 Q3: Okay. 1027 1028 A: Today’s the only time. 1029 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 24 1030 Q3: Um, in - now you guys moved from Ménage over to here, do you have a 1031 briefing - do you know how many units are out here supporting you? 1032 1033 A: Initially, no. Um, initially it was myself, Deputy (Michael Reese) and 1034 Inspector (Delaverdi). Inspector (Delaverdi) told us... 1035 1036 Q3: And you know them why, because they’re on the same task force or because 1037 you worked with them in the past or... 1038 1039 A: Yes, sir, they’re - we’ll all on the same task force. 1040 1041 Q3: Okay. 1042 1043 A: So, um, our office right now is split because several of the investigators and 1044 inspectors had to go to Northern California to look for a murder suspect, so 1045 our office, uh, today was just myself, Inspector (Delaverdi) and some other 1046 task force officers, um, were there at Anaheim. But s- after Anaheim they had 1047 moved on to other cases. 1048 1049 Q3: Okay. 1050 1051 A: So when we came back to Santa Ana it was just myself, (Delaverdi) and 1052 (Reese). When we got out here, (Delaverdi) made the proper notification to 1053 the sheriff’s department to let ‘em know that we were here, Code 5’ing our 1054 surveillance in their city and asked for resources. I believe he got, uh, the 1055 South Operations Gang Team and their personnel. And then some point when 1056 I was here, Buena Park showed up and their undercover units. 1057 1058 Q3: And what was your plan as you - as you understood it, what was the plan as 1059 you understood it? 1060 1061 A: The plan was not to let this, uh, fugitive escape, uh, in the vehicle. We were 1062 okay with the fact that if he was on foot we could still could, you know, 1063 contain him, but on the vehicle we didn’t want to have any, uh, possibility of 1064 using that vehicle to strike, uh - strike us or a long pursuit or evade. In fact, I 1065 was - I was told, uh, to - if he came out towards the north end to block that 1066 entrance, to not let him use my vehicle as a - as a barrier to not let him leave 1067 the parking lot. 1068 1069 Q3: Okay. And is that what (Delaverdi) did then on the south entrance? 1070 1071 A: Yes, sir. 1072 1073 Q3: Okay. What car is he driving? 1074 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 25 1075 A: He drives a copper colored Ford F-150 extended cab, 4x4 pickup truck. 1076 1077 Q3: Okay. When you described the phone and the - the recorder here, how far do 1078 you think you are from the back of his car? 1079 1080 A: I would estimate, uh, approximately five feet. 1081 1082 Q3: Okay. And when you give the commands and you get out of your car, where, 1083 relative to your car are you giving those commands, are you standing (via) the 1084 door, are you behind the (unintelligible) pillar, where are you at? 1085 1086 A: I’m behind the (via) the door of the driver’s side of my vehicle. 1087 1088 Q3: Okay. And what window are you looking at him through? His driver’s door, 1089 his back passenger door, the back window? 1090 1091 A: I’m looking at him through his driver’s side window. 1092 1093 Q3: Okay. Is that tinted? 1094 1095 A: I don’t recall, sir. 1096 1097 Q3: Now, you say he saw you, how do you know he saw you? 1098 1099 A: I could see his head turn to my direction where I could make out his face. 1100 1101 Q3: And do you have lights in the grill of - of your car and all of that then? 1102 1103 A: Yes, sir. 1104 1105 Q3: Uh, sorry. And then so when you pull up behind him, (Delaverdi)’s blocking 1106 the south entrance, is there anybody else that’s converging that you see at that 1107 point? 1108 1109 A: I don’t see at that point, sir. 1110 1111 Q3: And so then he puts it in reverse and starts backing up. Uh, just based on your 1112 experience, ballpark of how fast do you think he gets from where - from zero 1113 to where he crashes, top speed? 1114 1115 A: Um... 1116 1117 Q3: And I know speed’s not your expertise, but, uh... 1118 1119 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 26 A: Maybe 45 miles an hour, 50 miles an hour. 1120 1121 Q3: Uh... 1122 1123 A: This whole incident took very little time. It was over before I knew it. 1124 1125 Q3: And did you guys have any intelligence about who could be supporting him or 1126 who could be with him or anything like that? 1127 1128 A: No, sir. 1129 1130 Q3: So you had no information about girlfriends or... 1131 1132 A: No, sir. 1133 1134 Q3: Okay. Um, and at the time where he hits that, uh - as you say, he hits the 1135 tractor-trailer and comes to a rest, how close are the other cars that you said he 1136 was going towards? 1137 1138 A: Um, I’m not sure, sir, ‘cause I was - I was trying to keep my sight picture on 1139 him in case he decided to come forward. 1140 1141 Q3: And then - sorry, last question. Is he backing straight up, is he going - ho- 1142 describe how he’s backing up for me. 1143 1144 A: Uh... 1145 1146 Q3: I mean, it’s obviously fast... 1147 1148 A: It’s fast... 1149 1150 Q3: ...45 miles per hour, but... 1151 1152 A: ...and it’s - it’s not, uh - it didn’t appear to be, um, practiced or, uh, done 1153 professionally. 1154 1155 Q3: I mean, is it fairly straight line or is it the front end whipping around, what is 1156 it doing? 1157 1158 A: Um, it - yes, it’s - it’s not in a straight line. 1159 1160 Q3: Okay. I’m sorry, I told you last question. One more. Describe for me how you 1161 were spacing your shots out, how were you firing, was it four all at once, is it 1162 four while you’re - you’re taking steps, how... 1163 1164 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 27 A: I’m firing as I’m walking and I’m trying to keep a low center of gravity and 1165 tried to keep a side picture, uh, a- at the person behind the wheel, at the 1166 suspect. 1167 1168 Q3: Rapid fire or do you think it - it takes - how long do you think it takes you to... 1169 1170 A: It... 1171 1172 Q3: ...shoot four shots? 1173 1174 A: I don’t know how long it took me, sir, but I know I was trying to count my 1175 shots as I... 1176 1177 Q3: Okay. 1178 1179 A: ...as I’m walking, as I’m firing. 1180 1181 Q3: Okay. That’s good. All right. 1182 1183 Q1: Anything else? 1184 1185 Q: No. 1186 1187 Q1: Joe, um, is there anything that we haven’t asked you that you think is 1188 important to your frame of mind or, um, the knowledge of the suspect or 1189 anything else regarding this that you think why aren’t we asking you this 1190 question or do you think that we’ve covered things pretty - pretty firmly here? 1191 1192 A: I think you have a good grasp of what happened and you’ve asked me the 1193 questions respectfully. 1194 1195 Q: Okay. 1196 1197 Q1: Okay. Anything else then? 1198 1199 Q: I think that’s it. 1200 1201 Q1: All right. 1202 1203 Q3: Can I ask... 1204 1205 Q1: All right... 1206 1207 Q3: ...one more... 1208 1209 INTERVIEW WITH JOE PIROOZ Interviewer: Inv. Alex Quilantan 05-10-13/7:53 pm Case # OIS13-010 Page 28 Q: We’ll go off tape at about... 1210 1211 Q1: Sure, go ahead. 1212 1213 Q: ...uh... 1214 1215 Q1: Hold on. Hold on... 1216 1217 Q3: Sorry, one more... 1218 1219 Q: Oh, another one? 1220 1221 Q3: Yeah. My bad. Does he have another option, which way is he - why doesn’t 1222 he go forward by the way you have (Delaverdi) blocking the parking lot and, 1223 uh, the way he’s facing and all that, does he have another option to go? 1224 1225 A: Uh, yes, sir. He could’ve, uh - he could’ve whipped around into the other, uh, 1226 south - or, I’m sorry, it’d be the north parking lot or the north parking 1227 structure... 1228 1229 Q3: Okay. 1230 1231 A: ...if he would have just made a better turn I think he could have made that 1232 parking structure, uh, and then facing Lake Drive and then trying to attempt to 1233 flee... 1234 1235 Q3: But he comes directly back towards... 1236 1237 A: Comes directly back. 1238 1239 Q3: ...where you were standing, okay. Sorry. I’m done. 1240 1241 Q: That’s good. All right. 1242 1243 Q1: Okay. 1244 1245 Q: The end of interview will be at 2042 hours. Going off tape. 1246 1247 1248 This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate 1249 transcription. 1250 Signed________________________________________________________________________ 1251